why can't welfarists and abolitionists just all get along?
because welfarists are typically yuppies attempting to buy a social conscience.

apparently in the latest social drama surrounding bickering animal rights academics (which i'm sure you all follow intentently), torres tried to set up a podcast debate between singer and francione. singer declined. i guess he's just too big these days. and i think he's a little jealous because he doesn't have an unoffical fan-club with a snazzy website.